Don T Pass Craps System
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Don’t Pass Hedge Craps Strategy is a craps strategy from my Dice Advice series. In Dice Advice I will show viewer submitted strategies and roll them. This system sees gambler doubling up bet after every loss so that the first win would recover all previous losses plus win a profit equal to the original stake. When implemented in Craps, it is usually used with pass/ don’t pass as well as Come and Don’t Come bets. These bets are statistically the only ones with a good house advantage. The Don’t Pass Flat bet is a self-service bet, which means you make this bet yourself by placing your chips in the Don’t Pass area. The Don’t Pass area on the table layout is adjacent to the Pass Line visibly marked “Don’t Pass Bar 12.”.
*Craps Don’t Pass Odds Payout
*Don’t Craps Strategy
*Craps Don’t Pass Line Odds
*Craps Don T Pass Strategy
*Don’t Pass Line Craps
When it comes to craps bet patterns, it is important for players to be provided with the chance to learn both the “right” and the “wrong” side. After all, players need to be familiar with the rules and principles of playing both sides in order to take advantage of various trends, streaks and chances once such occur.
On the other hand, knowing the different aspects of playing both on the “right” and on the “wrong” side would offer craps players the opportunity to learn the different angles of the game, which would undoubtedly help them deal manage with the experience at every level possible.
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When the term “wrong” side betting is used, it is referred to the so-called Don’t Pass bets, which could be exactly as profitable as the Pass Line betting. In addition, as long as craps players realize the fact that the Don’t Side strategies are quite similar to the “right” side betting, it would be easier for them to understand these strategies.
Of course, statistical correctness is of paramount importance when it comes to bet patterns. So, in order to match the Pass Line bet pattern, we would provide players with three major Don’t Pass bet patters, including a more conservative one, a more aggressive one, and strongly aggressive one. None of these patterns violate in any way the 3% rule.Don’t Pass Bet with 1 Don’t Come Bet
The Don’t Pass bet with Don’t Come bet pattern is a conservative one. It provides players with the chance to feel safe while playing and at the same time ensures a nice profit while limiting their exposure to losses. First, the player needs to make their Don’t Pass bet and once the point number has been established, they must lay full double odds against the point.
After that, a Don’t Come bet should be made by the player in order for them to get one Don’t Come number established. Once this is done, the player should lay double odds against the point number and stop betting. In other words, this pattern is exactly the opposite of the “right” side betting in which the player puts everything at risk to the 7. In this case, players could only lose one bet in case one of their numbers repeat. And if the 7 comes out, they win both their bets.
The two Don’t numbers established provide players with security, as their exposure to risk is limited to two numbers that might repeat on any roll. In addition, this pattern considerably reduces the house edge to 0.6% or 0.8% in case they choose to lay only single odds.
In case that the Don’t Come number actually is repeated, the player has the right to replace it with another Don’t Come bet, which is also backed with double odds. What is important for players to remember is the fact that the Don’t Come bet should not be replaced more than once. This would protect them against an eventual continuous roll of point numbers that repeat and lead to the player losing.
If the point repeats, the player would come out and would try another Don’t Pass bet. In case such a thing happens again, another Don’t Pass bet is not recommended. The player is recommended to stop and wait for the shooter to roll a 7 to start over again in order to protect their bet against the hot roll.Don’t Pass Bet with 2 Don’t Come Bets
This type of “wrong” bet pattern is a bit more aggressive than the previous one as one more Don’t Come bet is added to the previous one. This pattern offers the players the chance to have half of the point numbers covered. If they have managed to successfully establish all 3 Don’t numbers and back them with double odds against the 7, the player would make a win on all bets.
As a matter of fact, casino customers should be aware of the fact that the wins generated on the “wrong” side are happening a bit slower, but are more steady when compared to the wins made on the “right” side that usually happens more quickly. Of course, players made the decision on which side to bet depending on their personal preferences, comfort level and experience.Don’t Pass Bet with 2 Don’t Come Bets Plus a Field and Lay Bets on 4 and 10
As already mentioned above, all of these craps bet patterns correspond to the 3% rule never to make a bet that offers the casino a house edge larger than 3%. In other words, the closer the house edge gets to 3%, the less frequently should a player use such a pattern.
This betting pattern is considered as the most aggressive one of the three.
Of course, craps players should always remember that the house advantage jumps to 5.55% in case that the Field paid double on both 2 and 12, so they are not recommended to use it. However, this betting pattern could turn out effective in order for the player to draw profit at a time when the table is cold.
The pattern starts in a similar way to the previous one, meaning that the player is required to first make a Don’t Pass bet, followed by 2 Don’t Come Bets. In addition, Double odds should be laid on them all. But things do not stop here. On the come-out roll, the player should make a Field bet of the same size as their Don’t Pass bet.
Once a point number is finally established, the Field bet must be pulled down. This provides the player with the chance to limit the frequency of using such a bet to the come-out rolls only. Statistically speaking, if a player participates in a typical run of between 5 and 12 rolls, they would be using the Field bet in only 10% to 20% of the time, which is pretty much manageable.
The player could have a strong start when outside numbers appear. On the other hand, when the 7 appears on the come-out roll, they would lose both bets. Of course, craps players should always remember to bet when the house advantage is limited to a reasonable level to prevent them from losing large bankrolls.
The “wrong” bet pattern is supposed to protect players against eventual substantial losses over a hot roll. Players, on the other hand, should always stick to the rule that if the point repeats, they should only replace it once. The same applies to the Don’t Come numbers. If a Don’t Come number repeats more than once, the player is recommended for the shooter to roll a 7 and then start over again.
Still, regardless of the fact that this betting pattern is considered the most aggressive one, it could provide players with a certain flexibility. If a Don’t Come toss is lost over the gameplay, the craps player is allowed to replace it with a Lay bet against the numbers 4 or 10 instead of placing a Don’t Come bet. Again, double odds are set against the 4 or 10.Have you ever heard of the craps pro? I can honestly say that I have been playing this craps method for a year now and over the long run I have been winning 60% of my bets with the casino paying me odds on the place bets. I’m one of the crazies out here that believe that this works. I have tried many systems and spent thousands of dollars believing there must be a way to beat the casino over the long haul. Nothing worked until I purchased this method. I’m a true believer and my wallet shows it, or maybe hundreds of hours at the table is not enough time to prove it to be true I’ll let you know how I do over the next year. If you haven’t heard of this method than research it and prove me wrong.
Although I have tested a lot of systems, I don’t need to test all of them to know they are all worthless. No system can ever pass the test of time. It is not unusual to win for a while with a system, but if you keep playing the odds will eventually catch up to you and you will fall behind.
For more information about the futility of betting systems, please see The Truth about Betting Systems.Let me begin by saying that of all the gambling related sites, the Wizard of Odds is by far the best. My question has to do with a betting strategy for craps. My question has to do with what some people have termed variance. As you state in your Ten commandments, the house has an edge in the long term, but there are short term fluctuations.
A casino I played at had the 3,4,5 odds system where you were allowed 3x on the 4 and 10, 4x on the 5 and 9 and 5 x on the 6 and 8. I feel that with this ’system’ of placing odds, you reduce the fluctuations (with respect to standard 5x odds on all numbers) in your bankroll, and change the distribution of net gain/loss per session, i.e. you would produce a sharper peak located slightly more to the loss side than with 5x odds. Is this so, and could you put some numbers to it?
That is known as 3-4-5X odds, and is now pretty common. The following table shows all the possible outcomes, for the pass and odds combined, with full odds.
Return Table with 3-4-5X OddsEventPaysProbabilityReturnPass line win10.2222220.222222Pass line loss-10.111111-0.111111Point of 4 or 10 & win70.0555560.388889Point of 4 or 10 & lose-40.111111-0.444444Point of 5 or 9 & win70.0888890.622222Point of 5 or 9 & lose-50.133333-0.666667Point of 6 or 8 & win70.1262630.883838Point of 6 or 8 & lose-60.151515-0.909091Total1.000000-0.014141
The standard deviation per pass line bet is 4.915632.As a moderate craps player who is of course interested in receiving every ’comp’ possible, could you give advice on the best betting (craps) strategy. Tried to find it in your GREAT web site.
Unlike most gambling writers, I don’t put much emphasis on betting strategies. Assuming the same game and bet, there is no one right or wrong strategy. They all behave differently in the short run, but in the long run you will give the house the same percentage of total money bet.I like your site very much. It is very informative. Thanks for putting out your thoughts. I noticed a betting strategy for craps suggested at Crappers Delight called ’classic regression’. In it he suggests, placing a 6 and 8, after a point is established. Then taking it down after one of them is hit. He said there are 10 combined ways to make the 6 and 8, but only 6 combined ways to make the 7. It sounds logical, but I’ve seen where you are able to show, that what appears logical on the surface is not so bright once it is analyzed. What are your thoughts on this strategy and what would the true odds be, if you did take the bets down after one hit?
This is similar to a question I got last week. Yes, it is true that there are ten ways to roll a 6 or 8, and six ways to roll a 7. However, one must not look at the probabilities alone, but weight them against the payoffs. The place bet on the 6 and 8 pays 7 to 6 odds when fair odds would pay 6 to 5. By making six unit place bets on the 6 and 8, and taking the other down if one wins, the probability of winning 7 units is 62.5% and the probability of losing 12 units is 37.5%. If the player must cover both the 6 and 8, then the place bet is the way to go. This rate of return isn’t bad but could be better. For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge, the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, don’t pass, come, and don’t come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds.What is the better system, or which gives me the better chance to win on craps? On the come out roll, I bet $10 on the don’t and $10 on the do, and then when a point comes out I lay full odds against the number. Or is it better to just play the don’t pass, and then lay the odds. I think getting passed the come out roll will increase my chances of winning.
The better system is to bet on the don’t pass only and take full odds. Yes, betting on both does increase you chances of winning on any one bet. However you are suffering a higher combined house edge by betting on both the pass and don’t pass and it will cost you in the long run.I played craps for the first time the other night and went from $70 to $700 with small bets on the pass odds and field bets. I then lost it all down to $6 because my bets were too large (by the dealers suggestion), and gained it back to $1000 after slowing down. For this being the first time it seems like a very easy game to win if you have patience, was it beginners luck?
Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don’t bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and 12.In craps, could one gain an advantage over the house by making both a Pass and Don’t Pass bet (one unit each) and then playing the Don’t Pass odds? Although the occasional 12 would steal one unit here and there, it seems that the seven would have an advantage over the point. At triple odds one could take 3x on the 4&10, 2x on the 5&9 and 1x on the 6&8.
No combination of bets can give the player an advantage. In your example you would lose one unit for every 12 on the come out roll. You don’t make up for it laying the odds. While you usually win laying the odds, you have to risk more. In the end, laying the odds has zero house edge.I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play. Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two?
As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn’t make any difference how many come bets you make. However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll.In craps, does the house edge change if you make a don’t pass bet then remove it if the point is 6 or 8? What if you remove it if the point is 6,8,5,or 9?
You should never remove a don’t pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don’t pass has equity of 9.09% of the bet amount, which you would be throwing away by taking the bet down. The equity of a don’t pass bet on a point of 5 or 9 is 20%, and on a 4 or 10 is 33.33%.I’d like your thoughts on this craps strategy. I think it’s a Patrick system for playing don’t pass. Bet one unit on both pass and don’t pass. Then lays odds on the don’t side. You can stop here or then make a don’t come bet. After the dc travels, take the odds off your don’t pass bet (if you don’t like to lay odds). So now you have a unit on the don’t come that pretty much got there with less risk. I know you can never get the advantage over the house, but this seems like a great way to play the don’t side. You eliminate the sevens on the come out roll. And only get hurt by the 12; or the 11 on your don’t come bet. P.s. Your site is the greatest.
Thanks for the compliment on my site. The best thing I can say about this system is that it composed of low house edge bets. Yes, a 12 will lose the pass bet and push the don’t pass on the come out roll, this is where the house edge is. By making the pass bet you are increasing the overall house edge. If you’re afraid losing you shouldn’t be playing at all. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win.I am a novice, just starting to play. My question concerns the ’Five Count Doey/Don’t’ System. The way I understand the system:
*Wait until the shooter establishes a point.
*Play both come/don’t come (same amount). Until you have a maximum of four numbers
*After the shooter has rolled five times without rolling a 7, take odds on all your numbers on the front side.
The rationale: Limit your exposure until you find a ’qualified’ (five rolls without a 7) shooter. Only betting the odds so there is no ’house edge’! Can you compare this system with just playing pass/come and taking the odds?
As I stated in the other craps strategy question you are only mixing another house edge bet into the game by betting on both the pass and don’t pass, or come and don’t come. It is also not going to help to wait until a shooter hits five points. The probability of making a point is the same for me and you as it is for somebody who just threw 100 points in a row. In other words, the past does not matter. As I stated to the person who asked the other question (whom I think may also be you) don’t make opposite bets, just stick to either the do or don’t side and always back up your bets with the odds.The Kelly strategy for betting requires a positive edge to be effective. I play craps and I give the house less than a 1% edge. Once a week I get comps of $62. I gamble only 1 1/2 hours and my total betting doesn’t reach $3000. Theoretically I earn approximately $30 per session. Would the Kelly strategy be helpful to me?
Unless bankroll preservation is very important to you then Kelly betting won’t help. I would just flat bet. Nice strategy to milk the comp system.The American Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling has the following ’anything but seven’ combination of craps bets that shows a net win on any number except 7. Here’s how much MENSA advises to bet in the ’Anything but 7’ system:
Craps Don’t Pass Odds Payout
*5- place $5
*6- place $6
*8- place $6
*field- $5
*total= $22
They claim the house edge is 1.136%. How is that possible if every individual bet made has a higher house edge?
Good question. To confirm their math I made the following table, based on a field bet paying 3 to 1 on a 12. The lower right cell does shows an expected loss of 25 cents over $22 bet. So the house edge is indeed .25/22 = 1.136%.
Mensa Anything but Seven ComboNumberProbabilityFieldPlace 5Place 6Place 8WinReturn20.027778100.0000000.0000000.000000100.27777830.05555650.0000000.0000000.00000050.27777840.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.41666750.111111-570.0000000.00000020.22222260.138889-50.00000070.00000020.27777870.166667-5-5-6-6-
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Don’t Pass Hedge Craps Strategy is a craps strategy from my Dice Advice series. In Dice Advice I will show viewer submitted strategies and roll them. This system sees gambler doubling up bet after every loss so that the first win would recover all previous losses plus win a profit equal to the original stake. When implemented in Craps, it is usually used with pass/ don’t pass as well as Come and Don’t Come bets. These bets are statistically the only ones with a good house advantage. The Don’t Pass Flat bet is a self-service bet, which means you make this bet yourself by placing your chips in the Don’t Pass area. The Don’t Pass area on the table layout is adjacent to the Pass Line visibly marked “Don’t Pass Bar 12.”.
*Craps Don’t Pass Odds Payout
*Don’t Craps Strategy
*Craps Don’t Pass Line Odds
*Craps Don T Pass Strategy
*Don’t Pass Line Craps
When it comes to craps bet patterns, it is important for players to be provided with the chance to learn both the “right” and the “wrong” side. After all, players need to be familiar with the rules and principles of playing both sides in order to take advantage of various trends, streaks and chances once such occur.
On the other hand, knowing the different aspects of playing both on the “right” and on the “wrong” side would offer craps players the opportunity to learn the different angles of the game, which would undoubtedly help them deal manage with the experience at every level possible.
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When the term “wrong” side betting is used, it is referred to the so-called Don’t Pass bets, which could be exactly as profitable as the Pass Line betting. In addition, as long as craps players realize the fact that the Don’t Side strategies are quite similar to the “right” side betting, it would be easier for them to understand these strategies.
Of course, statistical correctness is of paramount importance when it comes to bet patterns. So, in order to match the Pass Line bet pattern, we would provide players with three major Don’t Pass bet patters, including a more conservative one, a more aggressive one, and strongly aggressive one. None of these patterns violate in any way the 3% rule.Don’t Pass Bet with 1 Don’t Come Bet
The Don’t Pass bet with Don’t Come bet pattern is a conservative one. It provides players with the chance to feel safe while playing and at the same time ensures a nice profit while limiting their exposure to losses. First, the player needs to make their Don’t Pass bet and once the point number has been established, they must lay full double odds against the point.
After that, a Don’t Come bet should be made by the player in order for them to get one Don’t Come number established. Once this is done, the player should lay double odds against the point number and stop betting. In other words, this pattern is exactly the opposite of the “right” side betting in which the player puts everything at risk to the 7. In this case, players could only lose one bet in case one of their numbers repeat. And if the 7 comes out, they win both their bets.
The two Don’t numbers established provide players with security, as their exposure to risk is limited to two numbers that might repeat on any roll. In addition, this pattern considerably reduces the house edge to 0.6% or 0.8% in case they choose to lay only single odds.
In case that the Don’t Come number actually is repeated, the player has the right to replace it with another Don’t Come bet, which is also backed with double odds. What is important for players to remember is the fact that the Don’t Come bet should not be replaced more than once. This would protect them against an eventual continuous roll of point numbers that repeat and lead to the player losing.
If the point repeats, the player would come out and would try another Don’t Pass bet. In case such a thing happens again, another Don’t Pass bet is not recommended. The player is recommended to stop and wait for the shooter to roll a 7 to start over again in order to protect their bet against the hot roll.Don’t Pass Bet with 2 Don’t Come Bets
This type of “wrong” bet pattern is a bit more aggressive than the previous one as one more Don’t Come bet is added to the previous one. This pattern offers the players the chance to have half of the point numbers covered. If they have managed to successfully establish all 3 Don’t numbers and back them with double odds against the 7, the player would make a win on all bets.
As a matter of fact, casino customers should be aware of the fact that the wins generated on the “wrong” side are happening a bit slower, but are more steady when compared to the wins made on the “right” side that usually happens more quickly. Of course, players made the decision on which side to bet depending on their personal preferences, comfort level and experience.Don’t Pass Bet with 2 Don’t Come Bets Plus a Field and Lay Bets on 4 and 10
As already mentioned above, all of these craps bet patterns correspond to the 3% rule never to make a bet that offers the casino a house edge larger than 3%. In other words, the closer the house edge gets to 3%, the less frequently should a player use such a pattern.
This betting pattern is considered as the most aggressive one of the three.
Of course, craps players should always remember that the house advantage jumps to 5.55% in case that the Field paid double on both 2 and 12, so they are not recommended to use it. However, this betting pattern could turn out effective in order for the player to draw profit at a time when the table is cold.
The pattern starts in a similar way to the previous one, meaning that the player is required to first make a Don’t Pass bet, followed by 2 Don’t Come Bets. In addition, Double odds should be laid on them all. But things do not stop here. On the come-out roll, the player should make a Field bet of the same size as their Don’t Pass bet.
Once a point number is finally established, the Field bet must be pulled down. This provides the player with the chance to limit the frequency of using such a bet to the come-out rolls only. Statistically speaking, if a player participates in a typical run of between 5 and 12 rolls, they would be using the Field bet in only 10% to 20% of the time, which is pretty much manageable.
The player could have a strong start when outside numbers appear. On the other hand, when the 7 appears on the come-out roll, they would lose both bets. Of course, craps players should always remember to bet when the house advantage is limited to a reasonable level to prevent them from losing large bankrolls.
The “wrong” bet pattern is supposed to protect players against eventual substantial losses over a hot roll. Players, on the other hand, should always stick to the rule that if the point repeats, they should only replace it once. The same applies to the Don’t Come numbers. If a Don’t Come number repeats more than once, the player is recommended for the shooter to roll a 7 and then start over again.
Still, regardless of the fact that this betting pattern is considered the most aggressive one, it could provide players with a certain flexibility. If a Don’t Come toss is lost over the gameplay, the craps player is allowed to replace it with a Lay bet against the numbers 4 or 10 instead of placing a Don’t Come bet. Again, double odds are set against the 4 or 10.Have you ever heard of the craps pro? I can honestly say that I have been playing this craps method for a year now and over the long run I have been winning 60% of my bets with the casino paying me odds on the place bets. I’m one of the crazies out here that believe that this works. I have tried many systems and spent thousands of dollars believing there must be a way to beat the casino over the long haul. Nothing worked until I purchased this method. I’m a true believer and my wallet shows it, or maybe hundreds of hours at the table is not enough time to prove it to be true I’ll let you know how I do over the next year. If you haven’t heard of this method than research it and prove me wrong.
Although I have tested a lot of systems, I don’t need to test all of them to know they are all worthless. No system can ever pass the test of time. It is not unusual to win for a while with a system, but if you keep playing the odds will eventually catch up to you and you will fall behind.
For more information about the futility of betting systems, please see The Truth about Betting Systems.Let me begin by saying that of all the gambling related sites, the Wizard of Odds is by far the best. My question has to do with a betting strategy for craps. My question has to do with what some people have termed variance. As you state in your Ten commandments, the house has an edge in the long term, but there are short term fluctuations.
A casino I played at had the 3,4,5 odds system where you were allowed 3x on the 4 and 10, 4x on the 5 and 9 and 5 x on the 6 and 8. I feel that with this ’system’ of placing odds, you reduce the fluctuations (with respect to standard 5x odds on all numbers) in your bankroll, and change the distribution of net gain/loss per session, i.e. you would produce a sharper peak located slightly more to the loss side than with 5x odds. Is this so, and could you put some numbers to it?
That is known as 3-4-5X odds, and is now pretty common. The following table shows all the possible outcomes, for the pass and odds combined, with full odds.
Return Table with 3-4-5X OddsEventPaysProbabilityReturnPass line win10.2222220.222222Pass line loss-10.111111-0.111111Point of 4 or 10 & win70.0555560.388889Point of 4 or 10 & lose-40.111111-0.444444Point of 5 or 9 & win70.0888890.622222Point of 5 or 9 & lose-50.133333-0.666667Point of 6 or 8 & win70.1262630.883838Point of 6 or 8 & lose-60.151515-0.909091Total1.000000-0.014141
The standard deviation per pass line bet is 4.915632.As a moderate craps player who is of course interested in receiving every ’comp’ possible, could you give advice on the best betting (craps) strategy. Tried to find it in your GREAT web site.
Unlike most gambling writers, I don’t put much emphasis on betting strategies. Assuming the same game and bet, there is no one right or wrong strategy. They all behave differently in the short run, but in the long run you will give the house the same percentage of total money bet.I like your site very much. It is very informative. Thanks for putting out your thoughts. I noticed a betting strategy for craps suggested at Crappers Delight called ’classic regression’. In it he suggests, placing a 6 and 8, after a point is established. Then taking it down after one of them is hit. He said there are 10 combined ways to make the 6 and 8, but only 6 combined ways to make the 7. It sounds logical, but I’ve seen where you are able to show, that what appears logical on the surface is not so bright once it is analyzed. What are your thoughts on this strategy and what would the true odds be, if you did take the bets down after one hit?
This is similar to a question I got last week. Yes, it is true that there are ten ways to roll a 6 or 8, and six ways to roll a 7. However, one must not look at the probabilities alone, but weight them against the payoffs. The place bet on the 6 and 8 pays 7 to 6 odds when fair odds would pay 6 to 5. By making six unit place bets on the 6 and 8, and taking the other down if one wins, the probability of winning 7 units is 62.5% and the probability of losing 12 units is 37.5%. If the player must cover both the 6 and 8, then the place bet is the way to go. This rate of return isn’t bad but could be better. For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge, the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, don’t pass, come, and don’t come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds.What is the better system, or which gives me the better chance to win on craps? On the come out roll, I bet $10 on the don’t and $10 on the do, and then when a point comes out I lay full odds against the number. Or is it better to just play the don’t pass, and then lay the odds. I think getting passed the come out roll will increase my chances of winning.
The better system is to bet on the don’t pass only and take full odds. Yes, betting on both does increase you chances of winning on any one bet. However you are suffering a higher combined house edge by betting on both the pass and don’t pass and it will cost you in the long run.I played craps for the first time the other night and went from $70 to $700 with small bets on the pass odds and field bets. I then lost it all down to $6 because my bets were too large (by the dealers suggestion), and gained it back to $1000 after slowing down. For this being the first time it seems like a very easy game to win if you have patience, was it beginners luck?
Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don’t bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and 12.In craps, could one gain an advantage over the house by making both a Pass and Don’t Pass bet (one unit each) and then playing the Don’t Pass odds? Although the occasional 12 would steal one unit here and there, it seems that the seven would have an advantage over the point. At triple odds one could take 3x on the 4&10, 2x on the 5&9 and 1x on the 6&8.
No combination of bets can give the player an advantage. In your example you would lose one unit for every 12 on the come out roll. You don’t make up for it laying the odds. While you usually win laying the odds, you have to risk more. In the end, laying the odds has zero house edge.I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play. Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two?
As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn’t make any difference how many come bets you make. However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll.In craps, does the house edge change if you make a don’t pass bet then remove it if the point is 6 or 8? What if you remove it if the point is 6,8,5,or 9?
You should never remove a don’t pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don’t pass has equity of 9.09% of the bet amount, which you would be throwing away by taking the bet down. The equity of a don’t pass bet on a point of 5 or 9 is 20%, and on a 4 or 10 is 33.33%.I’d like your thoughts on this craps strategy. I think it’s a Patrick system for playing don’t pass. Bet one unit on both pass and don’t pass. Then lays odds on the don’t side. You can stop here or then make a don’t come bet. After the dc travels, take the odds off your don’t pass bet (if you don’t like to lay odds). So now you have a unit on the don’t come that pretty much got there with less risk. I know you can never get the advantage over the house, but this seems like a great way to play the don’t side. You eliminate the sevens on the come out roll. And only get hurt by the 12; or the 11 on your don’t come bet. P.s. Your site is the greatest.
Thanks for the compliment on my site. The best thing I can say about this system is that it composed of low house edge bets. Yes, a 12 will lose the pass bet and push the don’t pass on the come out roll, this is where the house edge is. By making the pass bet you are increasing the overall house edge. If you’re afraid losing you shouldn’t be playing at all. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win.I am a novice, just starting to play. My question concerns the ’Five Count Doey/Don’t’ System. The way I understand the system:
*Wait until the shooter establishes a point.
*Play both come/don’t come (same amount). Until you have a maximum of four numbers
*After the shooter has rolled five times without rolling a 7, take odds on all your numbers on the front side.
The rationale: Limit your exposure until you find a ’qualified’ (five rolls without a 7) shooter. Only betting the odds so there is no ’house edge’! Can you compare this system with just playing pass/come and taking the odds?
As I stated in the other craps strategy question you are only mixing another house edge bet into the game by betting on both the pass and don’t pass, or come and don’t come. It is also not going to help to wait until a shooter hits five points. The probability of making a point is the same for me and you as it is for somebody who just threw 100 points in a row. In other words, the past does not matter. As I stated to the person who asked the other question (whom I think may also be you) don’t make opposite bets, just stick to either the do or don’t side and always back up your bets with the odds.The Kelly strategy for betting requires a positive edge to be effective. I play craps and I give the house less than a 1% edge. Once a week I get comps of $62. I gamble only 1 1/2 hours and my total betting doesn’t reach $3000. Theoretically I earn approximately $30 per session. Would the Kelly strategy be helpful to me?
Unless bankroll preservation is very important to you then Kelly betting won’t help. I would just flat bet. Nice strategy to milk the comp system.The American Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling has the following ’anything but seven’ combination of craps bets that shows a net win on any number except 7. Here’s how much MENSA advises to bet in the ’Anything but 7’ system:
Craps Don’t Pass Odds Payout
*5- place $5
*6- place $6
*8- place $6
*field- $5
*total= $22
They claim the house edge is 1.136%. How is that possible if every individual bet made has a higher house edge?
Good question. To confirm their math I made the following table, based on a field bet paying 3 to 1 on a 12. The lower right cell does shows an expected loss of 25 cents over $22 bet. So the house edge is indeed .25/22 = 1.136%.
Mensa Anything but Seven ComboNumberProbabilityFieldPlace 5Place 6Place 8WinReturn20.027778100.0000000.0000000.000000100.27777830.05555650.0000000.0000000.00000050.27777840.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.41666750.111111-570.0000000.00000020.22222260.138889-50.00000070.00000020.27777870.166667-5-5-6-6-
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